lumabean

$7/gallon of milk -- do you think it will happen?

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So at least on "welfare" we will know them for what hey are instead of feigning respectability by calling it something else.

 

I had a cactus business . . . I failed at it. Did I manage it poorly? Did I read my market poorly? Was it just inexperience or bad luck? Who knows, and really, it doesn't matter. I closed it down, and went into something else. Life's tough. I doubt anyone noticed.

 

Life is about choices. It used to be that bad choices were painful. And sometimes people made rational choices that still failed. And we learned from them. We tried to avoid making them again. But stealing from one guy to subsidize the poor choices of another makes it not painful to the one being subsidized, so they learn nothing.

 

Can we do anything about it? No. Our country is lost. We're just circling the drain. Our political system is based on stealing from everyone, and then refunding part of the theft to political supporters in the form of subsidies, tax breaks and other "incentives". This Hurricane Sandy Relief package is so filled with pork and bribes to constituents that it makes me physically ill.

 

At least in Mexico they call a bribe a bribe, and not a "subsidy" or "incentive" or whatever. I fail to see how the producers can have any impact at the ballet box when the parasites outnumber the producers. Eventually, the parasites will run out of other people's money. I expect there to be violence.

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I can understand GP's views. However, what SHOULD be and what IS are two different things. How can we MAKE the government stop all of this ??

I do see it as I said. If they do not farm, they will be on government assistance anyway. One way or another. Either work and get subsidized or have no job and then get government money to live on.... So, what IS the answer ? I sure don't know.

As the saying goes, hang if we do, hang if we don't.

 

GP, what are your ideas to end all of this government intervention ? I feel like we are between a rock and a hard place. There seems to be no way out.

 

I think that's the problem: getting government intervention out of things. Elections haven't been won (for the most part) by people wanting to limit the size and power of government. People are instead voting for those who are extending government's size and reach, sometimes because there's a benefit for them.

 

(I'm trying very hard here to make this about the issue, not politics, but I may have to stray over that line a little, please bear with me.)

 

I've heard of people (DH's coworkers families for example) who voted for a particular candidate in the last election because "they wanted free cell phones". I know senior citizens who vote a certain way because they want their social security checks increased. There are certain groups who vote due to subsidizies. There's numerous other examples of people voting based on things such as those. Benjamin Franklin warned of this: "When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

 

I think the whole country got on a different path when FDR started many entitlement programs and subsidizies. It certainly wasn't what our Founders envisioned. "A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities." --Thomas Jefferson

 

 

Basically, to change, people must vote for those who will truly cut spending and support the Constitution. Sounds good. Until--gasp--you mention cutting back on "entitlement programs" and govenment subsidizies.

 

The gov't has more $$ going out than it has coming it. We all know that doesn't work with our household budgets. Right now, more people are getting something from the government than are paying taxes. (see Ben Franklin quote above)

 

The government is (redistributing) stealing my DH's paycheck. Government should not be forcing us to be chartiable. Nothing in the Constitution about that!

 

Everyone seems to be angry that we are headed towards very bad times and socialism. However, no one wants their piece of the government entitlement pie cut out.

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Ok, this is absolutely ridiculous and now I'm PI$$ED! Nothing was ever said about not working. I said we'd quit, meaning quit farming or milking. Meaning we'd go to town and work like most of you do, which many of us do anyway. Each and everyone of you can keep twisting my words to whatever you want them to mean. Evidently what I meant and what you seem to take it as are completely different. I am totally sick of it and all of you.

 

My point was....if you want cheap food there will be subsidies.

If you want to pay full price, which I am in total agreement with, then drop the subsidies.

YOU CANNOT have it both ways.

 

I really do need to give up and quit coming in here to read all of this!!!

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Ok, this is absolutely ridiculous and now I'm PI$$ED! Nothing was ever said about not working. I said we'd quit, meaning quit farming or milking. Meaning we'd go to town and work like most of you do, which many of us do anyway. Each and everyone of you can keep twisting my words to whatever you want them to mean. Evidently what I meant and what you seem to take it as are completely different. I am totally sick of it and all of you.

 

Maybe that passive-aggressive crap works with others, but it has no affect on me. I have no idea what you "meant" - only what you WROTE. If you meant something other than you wrote, you should correct it instead of having a tantrum when others respond to what you actually wrote - which is that we can't afford to eat without subsidizing your industry. The response remains . .. baloney. Here are your exact words. As to subsidies, the American people could not afford the food the farmers produce in this country if the government didn't subsidize it. It keeps all our food prices as reasonable as possible.

 

So you'll take your cow and go home. GOOD!

 

My point was....if you want cheap food there will be subsidies.

If you want to pay full price, which I am in total agreement with, then drop the subsidies.

YOU CANNOT have it both ways.

 

And now who is putting words in the mouths of others. I want the true value to be established by the free market. Who cares if item A is cheap, if it is because I'm more than paying for it in tax B. The net result is the same. Actually, it isn't. Because in tax B I'm paying for 100 other people to have cheap item A too. They pay no taxes. Remember the 47%?

 

 

I really do need to give up and quit coming in here to read all of this!!!

 

So quit talking about and do it. Take your cows and go home. Your tantrums don't impress anyone, although there are certainly some who are so eager to avoid conflict they will submit to your bullying.

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Another way to look at subsidies is, in my opinion, paying for something you don't use so others can.

 

You (figuratively) tell me not to buy the $7.00 a gallon milk if I don't want to pay the price. Fine. But, I'm already paying for it because I'm being taxed for it so you can buy it at $7.00 a gallon.

 

That may not be correct but it is the way I and my wallet see it.

 

It's similar to a senior paying for school taxes. I haven't had a school age child for over 25 years yet I'm still paying for someone elses kids to go to public schools...and feeding them while they are there.

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Let's see............ I could buy SEVERAL gallons of milk per week @ $7.00 per gallon with the payroll tax increase that went into effect on January 1 of this year. Like, maybe three per week and still have enough left over at year end for a couple of soon-to-be-banned Glocks.

 

can't afford to produce milk for less than $7.00 per gallon? That is nonsense. It presupposes that whatever the dairy farmers are currently doing is the most efficient, low cost method possible ......... ever.

 

Government subsidies - Just another method for removing incentive from the marketplace.

 

As far as hurt feelings, get used to them and a lot more. We are approaching one of those William B. Travis moments in history.

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Another way to look at subsidies is, in my opinion, paying for something you don't use so others can.

 

You (figuratively) tell me not to buy the $7.00 a gallon milk if I don't want to pay the price. Fine. But, I'm already paying for it because I'm being taxed for it so you can buy it at $7.00 a gallon.

 

That may not be correct but it is the way I and my wallet see it.

 

It's similar to a senior paying for school taxes. I haven't had a school age child for over 25 years yet I'm still paying for someone elses kids to go to public schools...and feeding them while they are there.

Yep. If your paying taxes the parasites are bleeding you as fast as they can.

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Looking over my husband's last pay receipt for 2012, that comparison makes a lot of sense to me, Louis. I get contrinuting toward roads, police, etc. but the other stuff ... not so much :(

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It's similar to a senior paying for school taxes. I haven't had a school age child for over 25 years yet I'm still paying for someone elses kids to go to public schools...and feeding them while they are there.

Yes, my tax not only is paying for someone else's kids; it is paying for the illegal aliens and their kids AND feeding AND housing AND medical AND extra remedial help because they don't speak English........

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My two cents worth on taxes being paid by seniors for other people's children...and along with that comes my "opinion" that ALOT of these children are being raised in households that pay rent, they don't own their property...so, they don't pay the RE taxes like homeowners do. Not raising up a bully-pulpit, just raising my voice like everybody else! LOL But...I'm not bitter. America is still the only country I want to survive in and like so many have said in our past..."buy yourself a one-way ticket to wherever you think life will be better for you". And for those who believe America is going down the drain, then why fight the flow? LOL I've got family who served well in the military, ancestors that worked their tails to the bone and passed on what skills and knowledge they could, and lived through the great depression. They're not bitter...just wiser. I see no advantage to insulting one another just get ones personal opinion across. Personally, I'm listing (reading) but it appalls me to read some of your postings...the bitterness and anger that lies just beneath the surface. Thankfully, I can choose my friends...and not have to leave this forum because of somebody else's bitterness, anger and/or tantrums. If you know some postings follow certain individuals...just pass their name up! Simple! Go read those that are funny, helpful, loving and full of wisdom. I think there a Bible verse (tongue in cheek) that tells us "whatsoever things are......think on them". Many years ago I put this toilet handle on the side of my head and learned to "flush" junk. I also have this little mantra that says "you don't pay me enough money to occupy my thoughts this much". I'm gonna go browsing around this forum and find some really neat people...and leave this topic...which was "supposed" to be about expectations of milk being $7 a gallon and how we'd deal with it. Figure?

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