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#21 ricardo

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Posted 05 November 2005 - 10:43 PM

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I am a TERRIBLE speller. I miss spelled words like 'because' and 'sometimes' all the time till I started using the computer more and habbit tought them to me. I cut and check most of my posts in Word before I post here. BUT when I went back to college a couple of years ago I had a 4.0 -because I knew it was a weakness -and knew to used dictionaries -spell checkers and friends to proof things like term papers.


I am a terrible speller when I am on the computer!
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Posted 08 November 2005 - 12:53 AM

My earlier quote: "I can just say from my experience that the less one concerns themselves with state requirements, the better."

Part of what I mean by this statement is that the more a homeschool parent leans on the state for guidance, the less confident and secure the parent tends to be. It tends to diminish parental initiative and critical thinking.

Some parents become so concerned about whether their child measures up that they lose focus on what is really important in educating their child: character and moral development, love of learning, discerning special gifts and learning styles of the child.

And the state does nothing - zippo - to help the parent better educate their child. How could the state possibly do so when it is performing so poorly with the majority of children who are already under its control? Standardized tests do not give an accurate assessment of a child's knowledge base; they are artificial and were developed because public school teachers cannot possibly determine what their students really know due to large class sizes. There are many factors entering into this....a topic for another thread perhaps.

Here's the crux of the matter: The state is not about truly ensuring that each child gets a good education or we'd see better results from the school system. Parents looking to the state do no better at homeschooling than parents who are more independently directed. I contend they oftentimes suffer from insecurity because they're looking to others for answers, rather than tuning into the special gifts God has already given them as parents.

The government school system is, in large part, all about power and control. It is a moneymaking business.

To be sure there are some dedicated and good people working within the system, but more often than not, they are frustrated to the max with the bureaucracy, the inefficiency, the tedium and, if they're Christians, they are stifled by political correctness run amuck.

As an example, many parents do not realize this, but public schools actually get extra monies from the state if they can diagnose a child with a learning disorder. Ever wonder why so many disorders have cropped up? I'm not saying disorders do not exist, but money is a big part of it.

Goatherder, I apologize....I just got home from my trip and logged onto this thread. I hope I'm not creating thread drift. The topic is sure stimulating some great thoughts from the gals here though!

I suspect this thread took this direction because the concept of "unschooling" (oh, how I dislike that term!) is an approach magnifying the parent's Godgiven gift of overall being the best person to understand her child. It also recognizes the child's unique potential.

I suspect that most parents home educating their children find themselves tapping into these creative resources more often than not. This is one reason the results amongst homeschoolers are excellent across the board with few exceptions.

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Posted 08 November 2005 - 09:14 PM

Teaberry - the terms homeschooling and unschooling are just the catch phrases commonly used in the 'let's educate our children ourselves instead of turning them over to the government' groups. For want of a better, easily recognized terminology I went with what most would understand. Personally, I like the term unschooling, especially for those who have been in school and need to be deprogramed so that they can once again experience the joy of learning for learning's sake.

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Posted 08 November 2005 - 09:37 PM

I understand, Goatherder. Yes, I fully agree that the term "unschooler" helps people move past the idea that teaching at home is just another type of "school classroom." I don't mind if the term is used here at all as that is the term in vogue and most easily understood by many. I just don't like using it to describe what I've done....even though I've definitely used the approach you described in your very fine definition.

My concern is that it may give others the impression that we're not "schooling" or educating at all.

If I had my druthers I'd rather what we do be called "home educating" as that clearly places the parent as "educator." I'm sure I'm not the only person who has been asked if I'm a "certified teacher" before. In the past when I've been asked that question I've answered, "I'm an educator teaching my children at home." That pretty much steers the truth of the matter in a positive direction.

All that said, using "unschooling" here on this board is no problem for me and I'm glad you brought the topic up. I think it's an important concept as you can probably tell from my preceding posts.





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Posted 14 November 2005 - 08:55 PM

An article I just found on this topic in your neck of the woods, Goatherder:

http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/102228.php

Tucson Region
'Unschoolers' can learn - or not
Johnny reads when he's ready, and state of Arizona butts out
By Daniel Scarpinato
ARIZONA DAILY STAR
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 11.13.2005

As most schoolchildren are sitting down for their morning classes, Taylor Gavin is just rolling out of bed. "Sometimes I get up at 8, sometimes not until 9 or 10. It just depends," the talkative 11-year-old says.
Each day is different for Taylor and his 10-year-old sister, Karina. Activities range from video games at their East Side home to dance lessons to museum and national park visits.
The Gavins are "unschoolers," a small branch of home-schoolers with parents who reject the structured and authoritative nature of today's education system. Some call it "discovery learning" because of its laissez faire attitude.
Unschoolers defy the trendiest new styles of learning. Their methodology - or lack thereof - is a slap in the face of school accountability measures. In a post-No Child Left Behind Act world, federal education spending is up, standardized testing is a required part of the classroom and the word "rigor" is experiencing a renaissance in education circles.
Unschoolers don't take tests and don't typically have homework. There are no single-file lines of boys and girls, no cafeteria lunches or crashing lockers. But it's the lack of any kind of concrete lesson plan that makes unschooling far different from normal home schooling.
Unschoolers learn what they want, when they want, how they want. And that could mean learning nothing at all.
It's a concept that's totally legal in Arizona, though it's not without critics. Some say unschooling is irresponsible and question whether it allows for healthy child development.
But advocates maintain that the usual ways of learning aren't the only way of learning. Socialization doesn't have to happen in classrooms. And letting kids chart their own course, they say, will give them more choices and provide more of a challenge.
"I think when kids have the idea that their learning is up to them, they'll do interesting things with their time," said Tucsonan Debbie Gubernick, who has four children who have been unschooled, including a son who's now a junior at the University of Arizona.
"Most kids are waiting for life to start happening."
Steady numbers
General home schooling surged in the past five years, according to the National Center for Education Statistics, increasing nearly 30 percent from 1999 to 2003. That's about 2.2 percent of U.S. school-age children.
Unschooling has remained a small but steady part of it.
Estimates of the number of unschoolers in Southern Arizona vary and could be as high as 50 families, though no organized unschoolers group exists in the Tucson area. Unschoolers make up about 10 percent of the entire home-school population, said Patrick Farenga, president of Holt Associates, a consulting company founded by John Holt, the author who coined the term "unschoolers."
The term and original movement came about in the late 1970s with the book "Instead of Education." Holt adopted the name "unschooling" from the popular 7-Up "Uncola" advertising campaign of the time.
"The beauty of unschooling is you're learning in real life," Farenga said. "Unschoolers have a very strong sense of how the world works because they've lived in it."
Many other home-schoolers stay away from public schools because of religious values or because they don't feel school curriculum is competitive. But unschoolers rarely incorporate religion and generally oppose barriers that stand in the way of kids enjoying life.
For example, what if a child wants to spend the day watching soap operas? That's fine under certain circumstances, parent Gubernick says.
"I think it's important for teenagers to do absolutely nothing sometimes."
And it's still possible for unschoolers - or any other homeschooler - to attend college, since an SAT score - not a high school diploma - is enough to get into many universities.
Parental rights
Home-schoolers, such as Karyn Parisi, co-president of Tucson's Southeast Side chapter of Christian Home Educators, are quick to distance themselves from unschoolers.
"Our philosophy is totally different," Parisi said. "We're not rebelling against education. We just want to have more control and more say over what our children learn, which often times is tougher than what you would find in public schools."
John Wright, president of the Arizona Education Association, a teacher lobbying group, also is skeptical.
"Parents have the right to make decisions that are right for their children. In a home-school environment, it's up to them to set the structure," he said. "If unschooling is where the child's will is the child's way, there will be some hard lessons when they grow up."
And while Wright doesn't doubt that parents can provide socialization at home, he said it might be harder to accomplish in a home environment, especially without a structured home-school plan.
Still, unschooling is perfectly legal in Arizona, says Kim Fields, program coordinator for the Pima County School Superintendent's office. Home-schoolers need to file an affidavit with the county to remove children from school, she said. The same process applies to unschoolers.
The affidavit requires they be taught reading, grammar, math and social studies, but there's "no rule they have to be taught a certain way," she said.
Arizona's home-schooling laws are among the most liberal in the nation, Fields said. Parents aren't required to provide any proof their kids are learning. There are a bit more than 3,000 home-schooling affidavits in Pima County, Fields said.
Flexibility
Taylor's and Karina's mother, Eileen Gavin, became interested in unschooling when she first had her children. She tried out a private school for a few months, then decided to give unschooling a shot. She admits she isn't an absolutist, and she sometimes steers her kids toward certain subjects.
She isn't sure yet if her children's interest in self-discovery will carry into the teen years. But, for now, Taylor and Karina seem to be doing just fine.
There are no signs these children have problems socializing or are behind the curve. They have lots of friends in their neighborhood, answer questions about their daily lives with excitement and show almost no signs of insecurities.
And just what do they do all day? There's a lot of reading. Taylor learned the countries of the world by setting up Pokemon characters on a map. And Karina worked on math by figuring out how she'd spend the $340 million Powerball jackpot.
"I like it much better than when I was in school," Taylor said.


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Posted 18 November 2005 - 09:09 PM

this is one of my favorite descriptions of unschooling:

Of Daffodils and Diesels


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I'm not very good in school. This is my second year in the seventh grade, and I'm bigger than most of the other kids. The kids like me all right, even though I don't say much in class, and that sort of makes up for what goes on in school.
I don't know why the teachers don't like me. They never have. It seems like they don't think you know anything unless you can name the book it comes out of. I read a lot at home -- things like Popular Mechanics and Sports Illustrated and the Sears catalog -- but I don't just sit down and read them through like they make us do in school. I use them when I want to find something out, like a batting average or when Mom buys something secondhand and wants to know if she's getting a good price.

In school, though, we've got to learn whatever is in the book and I just can't memorize the stuff. Last year I stayed after school every night for two weeks trying to learn the names of the presidents. Some of them were easy, like Washington and Jefferson and Lincoln, but there must have been 30 altogether and I never did get them straight. I'm not too sorry, though, because the kids who learned the presidents had to turn right around and learn all the vice presidents. I am taking the seventh grade over, but our teacher this year isn't interested in the names of the presidents. She has us trying to learn the names of all the great American inventors.

I guess I just can't remember names in the history. Anyway, I've been trying to learn about trucks because my uncle owns three and he says I can drive one when I'm 16. I know the horsepower and gear ratios of 26 American trucks and want to operate a diesel. Those diesels are really something. I started to tell my teacher about them in science class last week when the pump we were using to make a vacuum in a bell jar got hot, but she said she didn't see what a diesel engine has to do with our experiment on air pressure, so I just shut up. The kids seemed interested though; I took
four of them around to my uncle's garage after school and we watched his mechanic tear down a big diesel engine. He really knew his stuff.

I'm not very good in geography, either. They call it economic geography this year. We've been studying the imports and exports of Turkey all week, but I couldn't tell you what they are. Maybe the reason is that I missed school for a couple of days when my uncle took me downstate to pick up some livestock. He told me where we were headed and I had to figure out the best way to get there and back. He just drove and turned where I told him. It was over 500 miles roundtrip and I'm figuring now what his oil cost and the wear and tear on the truck -- he calls it depreciation -- so we'll know how much we made.

When we got back I wrote up all the bills and sent letters to the farmers about what their pigs and cattle brought at the stockyard. My aunt said I only made 3 mistakes in 17 letters, all commas. I wish I could write school themes that way. The last one I had to write was on "What a daffodil thinks of Spring," and I just couldn't get going. I don't do very well in arithmetic, either. Seems I just can't keep my mind on the problems. We had one the other day like this:

If a 57 foot telephone pole falls across a highway so that 17 and 3/4 feet extend from one side and 14 and 5/16 feet extend from the other, how wide is the highway?

That seemed to me like an awfully silly way to get the size of a highway. I didn't even try to answer it because it didn't say whether the pole had fallen straight across or not.

Even in shop class I don't get very good grades. All of us kids make a broom holder and a bookend this semester and mine were sloppy. I just couldn't get interested. Mom doesn't use a broom anymore with her new vacuum cleaner, and all of our books are in a bookcase with glass doors in the family room. Anyway, I wanted to make a tailgate for my uncle's trailer, but the shop teacher said that meant using metal and wood both, and I'd have to learn how to work with wood first. I didn't see why, but I kept quiet and made a tie tack even though my dad doesn't wear ties. I made the tailgate after school in my uncle's garage, and he said I saved him $20.

Government class is hard for me, too. I've been staying after school trying to learn the Articles of Confederation for almost a week, because the teacher said we couldn't be a good citizen unless we did. I really tried because I want to be a good citizen. I did hate to stay after school though, because a bunch of us guys from South end have been cleaning up the old lot across from Taylor's Machine Shop to make a playground out of it for the little kids from the Methodist home. I made the jungle gym out of the old pipe, and the guys put me in charge of things. We raised enough money collecting scrap this month to build a wire fence clear around the lot.

Dad says I can quit school when I'm 16. I'm sort of anxious to because there are a lot of things I want to learn.





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Posted 26 November 2005 - 07:45 PM

Exactly!!! This was similar to my experience with school. All I wanted to do was raise livestock and study to be a vet. When I taught science, I always tried to listen to my students' outside experiences and relate them to the curriculum. I guess that's why even the 'troubled' kids did well in my classes.

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Posted 29 November 2005 - 11:26 AM

Spot on, Evergreen! GH, it is amazing how much a kid can blossom when just one person sees what is possible and thinks outside the box. I bet those kids in your classes will one day look back with fond memories.



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