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#1 Mother

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Posted 28 May 2008 - 11:41 AM

This was the opening thread for the Pioneer Living series in the Cave. We are moving the PL threads to Are You Really Ready so everyone will be able to learn from the information. I will be moving the specific threads and others that fit with this thread but I hope others will add their pioneer living knowledge to this subforum. In another thread you will find a table of contents that will give you some idea of subjects that might be covered but feel free to add your suggestions here or start a thread of your own.


I realized that many of the members here live a modern pioneer lifestyle already but I am hoping that we can start some threads that give some ideas of how others can do likewise. It's a huge subject of course but if we try to organize it into various subjects perhaps we can get some serious looks at the possibilities. I'm sure much of this information can be put in the public forums but I felt that by having it here we could add some of those 'iffy' ways to live that might not be accepted as totally safe. It will also help us get it all together in one spot even if we use links to other Mrs. S posts to do so.

I'd like your ideas on what subjects you might want to see included. The object would be to learn about skills and ways of the past and from different parts of the world that we might be able to incorporate into our lives today AND to use in case of TSHTF scenarios.

As an example of possible specifics, we might learn how to make pickles using old time recipes, tips and etc but using modern plastic buckets instead of crocks, or perhaps pickling meats and fruit as well as vegetables. Making tools by hand from natural woods but using modern tools to do so. Using 'found' things to make other things from such as gate locks from old hinges. Using horses/bicycles/goats for transportation but using modern conveiences and equipment. Cooling foods but using coleman coolers or solar but learning about springs. Etc Etc.

To get you started here's some ideas.

Food:
Not only how to grow it traditioinally but how it might be grown so as not to be found.
Wild crafting foods
Preserving it by traditional and perhaps non-safe methods
???

Water:
Where to find
Questionable sources
hauling
Storage
Conserving

Housing:
Non traditional homes (tents, yurts, log, converted buildings, etc)
Hidden homes
Extended families and how to cope
??

Energy:
fireplaces, wood stoves, etc
Solar, wind, hydro
Cooking with and without
Heat, cooling and refrigeration
Making and storing ice
??

Skills from the past and around the world:
Listings of skills
Places to learn

Animals/livestock:
traditional methods of care
Alternative animals
Pack animals
Transportation
farming with
???

Lifestyles:
Ideas for different areas and situations
Changing lifestyles
??

????????

Please give me your input on this. Are you interested? What additions would you like to see? Once we get a list I will start posting threads for each.

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Posted 28 May 2008 - 11:44 AM

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Posted 28 May 2008 - 11:58 AM

Trapping...snaring animals
Fishing

Home Defense/Security...ie: maybe booby traps, alarm/alert system

Crafting home-made tools...maybe blacksmithing...stuff like that



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Posted 28 May 2008 - 12:18 PM

Good suggestions. Guess that means you are for this series grin

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Posted 28 May 2008 - 12:24 PM

Yep I'm looking forward to reading and copying these threads, if that is ok with you Mother.



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Posted 28 May 2008 - 12:24 PM

Emerency Childbirth delivery.

I know we can not give medical advice. But what happens if your baby decides to make its grand enterance and you can't get to the hospital, the midwife can't get to you...who's gonna catch and what to they need to do.
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Posted 28 May 2008 - 12:31 PM

All of the above...plus...ways to think outside of the box in all areas...in how you do things and how you make things. I know it's not very clear what I wrote...but, I do know what I mean....


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Posted 28 May 2008 - 12:35 PM

Of course you can copy what's here Mama Tiger.

M2tb, we can easily give the instructions for how to 'birth a baby' as an educational only thing. In fact, as dogmom says, we can think outside the box with all of this and be safe in posting it as the Cave comes with a warning.

Adding to the list.

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Posted 28 May 2008 - 12:50 PM

Sewing 101...right down to the basics. How can I make a needle? What to use for thread. Maybe some basic clothes without a pattern? I mean we are all going to need something to wear too right?

I figured at some point you either broke all your needles, ran out of thread or it rotted, etc... And there are a lot of people out there that don't even know how to sew on a button too. Just like some that don't know how to cook...am I making any sense?

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Posted 28 May 2008 - 02:01 PM

Home nursing. Diagnosis and grassroots treatment.

Self-care, family care, and how to tell when it's time to find a doctor even when doing so will compromise group welfare.
how to tell when a raw throat is self-limiting or strep that will go down into your heart.

skin conditions and bug bites
how to dry a wet rash, draw a boil, recognize and treat impetigo, spider bites, heat, MRSA, etc.

infections of minor wounds
When "keep dry and loosely covered" either didn't happen or didn't work.

urinary tract infections, including telling whether your crotchrot is candida or pseudomonas, and what to do about each


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Posted 28 May 2008 - 02:11 PM

Suicide and euthanasia, just in case.

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Posted 28 May 2008 - 04:42 PM

Personal beliefs notwithstanding, I can't be on a forum that discusses methods of suicide and euthanasia. I suspect a number of the other members might have similar legal problems.


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Posted 28 May 2008 - 05:08 PM

Very basic Patterns for:
Cloth menstrual pads
sling
basic apron
bras
panties
mens underwear-briefs and boxers
nightgown
fabric slippers
cloth diapers

Beginner instructions how to knit and patterns for garner stitch
hat
mittens
slippers
socks
baby layette items

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A chapter on things unique to urban survival if you live in an apt. or condo:
what you can grow and how ( pots, balconies, interior rooms, and pest control)
using alternative cooking methods including a solar oven
how to scavange and reuse materials found in the city

wild food crafting in the city for flowers, bulbs, trees, groundcovers, clover, pine needles or anything likely to be found that is edible (most books have things that only grow out of town in fields)

How to trap& kill, dress and cook birds and small animals found in city parks
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Posted 28 May 2008 - 05:16 PM

I can probably find the knitting patterns and basic knitting instructions if you want me to Mother.
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Posted 28 May 2008 - 05:29 PM

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It will also help us get it all together in one spot even if we use links to other Mrs. S posts to do so.



I love the idea of links to all the wonderful threads of the past. Somewhere "8thSinner' posted a pictorial on how to make a toothbrush.....I'd love to find it. It looked doable, just a bit tedious. LOL and it made me think to buy up a few more 'ready-made' ones. grin


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Posted 28 May 2008 - 05:51 PM

Wow, these are all a lot of good ideas. While some of them, like growing an urban garden might be readily found in the Urban Homesteading forum, I believe we should cover the more unsavory survival ideas for urban living here as well. I especially believe this true of park fods, animals and birds and using what we find to survive. Maybe we can entice Cookie from her forum to come help us with this at a deeper level.

The basic sewing/knitting/etc is also a good idea with the exception that we might stick with what might be very pertinent in a SHTF situation or those that were standard for past necessities. We might add spinning and etc to that. If we get to the point we can't buy it we need to know how to make it and that includes all sorts of necessities not just clothing. Liss,Betty if you and the others would like to post links, either to other posts in Mrs S or off site links to the "necessities" of life that would be great.

Quilty's, great idea to learn how to make needles and etc. We'll maybe put that under something like Primative skills?

Definitely we need a thread on the home nursing and grass roots diagnoses. Some of that can be found in the back threads of Nature's Prescription but there is nothing saying we can't get deeper into that also. Good idea Ambergris.

Susie, I actually agree with you on the Suicide subject but in a different way you may have meant. If the SHTF we could easily be having to deal with those attempting suicide either because they no longer have medicines or because of the stress of the situation. It would not be amiss to learn how to deal with those despondent people without medications or with natural ones.

I am not so sure on the euthanasia though, at least as it pertains to people but only because in the minds of most of the members that would be murder. Even if times did get that tough that situation would only occur in desperation. Desperation not premeditation. However, I am not so sure we might touch on the subject as it pertains to animals. If TSHTF we might have to decide what to do with pets and animals to keep them from going ferral or from suffering.


I probably missed someone but I'll go back and start adding these to the list. Then I'll start some different threads so we can start on this right away.

Thanks, keep adding,
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Posted 28 May 2008 - 06:43 PM

Originally Posted By: susie
Suicide and euthanasia, just in case.


susie in some cultures and religions that may be justified. it may even be considered a kindness? But just for me and my house, morals will not allow us to have part in that and legally as a licensed medical professional, I cannot have any part of a discussion that favors them as it will put my nursing license in jeopardy. I do wish you well with it how ever.

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Posted 28 May 2008 - 06:47 PM

yeeah! Primative skills, that's it! I knew I didn't have enough coffee yet lol and even if I did, Mother could figure out what I meant. Plus with the sewing, I asked DH about it and he said we might want to include how to sew soles on moccosins too for footware. Then he says...well I guess then you are going to have to know which are the best leathers to use for them and how to catch the critters lol! Why is it with men you ask one simple ? and get an essay? LOLOL!

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Posted 28 May 2008 - 09:52 PM

If you need help finding links, let me know. I'm pretty good at finding stuff.

I have some things on my computer from websites that don't exist anymore, as well.
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Posted 28 May 2008 - 09:59 PM

Leah you are great at that, thanks for the offer.

Quilty's, get your DH thinking more. Then get his ideas on HOW to do all this grin

Quilty's and the others, would a discussion on how to handle a potential suicide victim be out of line? I believe that could be an important part of home health. We can bump any talk of euthanasia to the Edge if some still want to discuss it for their pets and such.

We may be talking of some serious and even perhaps unsafe stuff here in these threads so please be prepared to sift through the info for it's place in your life.

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