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#61 Mt_Rider

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 10:30 PM

grouphug.gif PCS is baaaaaaack! cele.gif Hey, if you want to wrangle up a wagon for fixin' meals, all right by me. Once we arrive in our new colony, we might need to do communal meals just so we can get all the work done quickly. Can we put some fold-down counter space on the sides of that wagon....a lunch counter. feedme.gif

.....ahem, but....ya gotta cook an alternative to any HOT**SPICEY meals. knary.gif Whew...DH and Korean DD's used to pull out "mom's portion" and then really spice the meal. rolleyes.gif


Well start packing your wagon....and we'll stuff our really large-size cookware, etc in the chuckwagon.

[...pssst, Mother. Is she the one who threatens to cook things like snakes and bugs? blink.gif ]

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 12:36 AM

Q peeking in here....wondering if this wagon train will have room for one more wagon with an R.N. and a gunsmith who also is what some would call a "country boy"? He can hunt, trap, fish, etc...with the best of them anywhere with just about nothing lol. And I can do a lot of the medical that comes up having worked in the ICU. Even stitches, wound cleaning, etc...

I think I need to go over the first post and see what we need for the wagon though. I know a team of oxen for it but we will need a horse for me too so I can ride over to who evers place is needing me for the medical problems. Would make it a lot easier to get to someones house on horse back once we get there than it would walking to your places! biggrin.gif And there are a lot of skills we don't have such as raising livestock. So once we get there, we would rather barter services like medical for teaching how to raise goats say, instead of cash money.

So...got room for another couple in one wagon!?

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 06:10 AM

sounds like we are getting ready to head out?
any date yet or is it a secert to keep us on our toes?
Saw a guy hanging around the station that may be a good driver for one of the special wagons. All he wants is to "get away from here" and said he is handy doing anthing that may need to be done? I tell you this - he is a Big man so any lifting that needs to be done........ he's your man.





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Posted 22 October 2009 - 10:32 AM

Congrats on your posts AH but we CAN'T go yet. I'm NOT ready. My working list is so long that I know I'm going to have to cut it back but wanted to get a feel for what we might need once there.......Lots of things can be manufactured there though and I'm counting on you and my guys to be able to come up with all sorts of things,,,,like Kraut cutters and other useful kitchen goodies. smile.gif

I find it interesting that our posts here are probably much like the conversations that the wagon train members would have had before it was time to leave. What are you taking, where are we headed, when will we leave? What do you think it will be like when we get there and what will we be able to manufacture or not once there? Will it be a safe place or will we have to fight the 'locals'? Most pioneer/settlers decided they would be going long ahead of time. They often had months to prepare and that long waiting time only managed to bring up ore questions. Yet, in the scheme of things, they would have needed that time to not only get things gathered together but to reassess what they were taking. Those wagons are NOT very big and the beds on them not very deep. You can only pile stuff so high before it starts to become unbalanced or difficult for the team to pull it. The more team you bring along, the more you need to care for and feed. Most families were lucky to get a couple of mules or oxen and maybe a spare or two if they were lucky.

I have taken an area in my entryway that is approximately the square footage of a wagon. It's shorter and wider but it gives me a view of the area I'd need to fill. I have been placing items there, things I felt we couldn't do without and believe me,,,It's not all going to fit and still have room for bedding above it all.

The clothing alone, that is enough sturdy clothes, winter jackets, and shoes/boots, to withstand the hardships of the new wilderness experience and last until material can be woven/manufactured (can't shear sheep just any old time) for more, will take up a fairly large space. I'm adding heavy aprons to protect some of them. I'm thinking of lightweight canvas for lining the inside of the wagon. This could be complete with pockets for storing things and could be re-purposed as heavy work clothes or jackets but I have to watch the weight on that too.

Lots to think about. Anyone have any more thoughts along this line?

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 11:12 AM

Welcome certainly, Q!!!! RN & gun/country guy....very good. Valuable folks. We've been waiting for a few key folks to be able to join us... We've finally got PCS back...if still limping along. Somebody go help her lift the things into her wagon, please.

ANYONE ELSE coming along? bounce.gif


Might be we set off 'pretty soon' and any others wanting to join, well, we'll be traveling right thru your region and you can hook up. AH is chomping at the bit, raring to go. They had an advantage, having thot thru this scenario a time or two and already have their wagon [and the library wagon] packed. You guys did get all my books in there too, right? The big guy for driver sounds good, AH. Especially if we have to unload the library wagon to change a wheel.

MtRider makes a note to wheedle another oxen team outta the kindly financial person for spare on that library wagon. Also a spare nice smooth-riding horse for our Quilty! How 'bout a good donkey? I've found they can be smooth...just a bit independent in thinking. LOL Hope we have lush grass and dry weather.

Hey Micheal. I have two hunks [5' long?] of iron 'I' beam. Is that the sort of thing you can work with in your blacksmithing? Some wagon train lists include ingots/bars/whatever of iron/metals. What would you need? And what exactly *would* go in a blacksmithing wagon? Have we got a driver for that one?

Quilty, have you noticed about our Special Wagons? You can pack your RN gear in with my DH's chiro/herbal stuff. That leaves more room in your wagon for your personal stuff.



OK...I *have* been packing as you can see with my edited list. Not finished.

MtRider ....packing.....poor oxen!
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Posted 22 October 2009 - 11:49 AM

Yes, Mother, the discussion before leaving might save us some headache once we arrive. Two or more heads thinking on a problem are better than one.

And my poor head has been thinking I won't fit everything I'd be wanting at the end of the trail. How DID they do it with so little? 0327.gif

Questions: How much weight can hang and swing from the wagon cover hoops? My mom mentioned she thot they might have hung the slab of ham from there. Covered in muslin from the flies. I also read they put the bacon in bran to retard getting rancid??

Like your inner cover with pockets. I love pockets. tongue.gif Could light insulation [polyester fiberfill ...turned into quilts later] between the two layers help with heat & cold without being too much weight? Or would it make our canvas covers leak? Do we have a modern improvement on just canvas covers?? Like Goretex? biggrin.gif

As for room to sleep, I'm giving up that idea altogether. I'm bringing a tent and just acquired 2 very portable cots. And there is that inflatable mattress too. A pain to set up at the end of a long day but...dog would want to be near us and....cat in her corner and...hmmm, need to figure a way to drape a WET tent over the wagon somewhere so it's dry by the next stop. Just inside the back..yet under that long overhang that the conestogas have?

I agree on the clothing. I have yet to list that...but I know we'd need plenty cuz they wear out with rough, primitive use and making new is V-E-R-Y laborious. Do we have a cobbler among us yet? I've make moccasins but...good sturdy boots require a skilled master.

Trying to edit my list tho, like Mother I'm making a BIG list and then I might try getting 'realistic'.

laughkick.gif That's a funny line in a UNreality scenario, huh? I suppose I should tell you how our trip is even possible. wink.gif I have these "wealthy folks" who want to colonize in the far off wilderness due to today's news headlines. But they know they need to recruit a lot of folks who do things like medical, blacksmithing, animal raising, construction, hunting, gathering, cooking, and then we have education of children AND adults and ... So this is why we are "financed" with our transportation needs. These unknown "wealthy folks" have the foresight to know they need a community of skills to have any existence over "cave-dwelling" or "mountain man" style. They are attempting for at least "Little House on the Prairie" level of civilization...and maybe later "The Waltons" level. They believe that investing in hard-working, skilled people will bring good return for their money. ...as in: a fairly decent survival during real Hard Times. wink.gif

But we are supposed to able to take care of our own once we get there too. So back to packing my wagon...again. If I have plastic totes, bags, and buckets instead of wooden crates and barrels, WHY is my wagon so heavy already? ohmy.gif If I give up any furniture, china, etc....can I bring my cookstove and portable sewing machine? I need more donkeys...a string of pack donkeys! Uh huh!



MtRider [...Mother! Are doing too much hauling your goods all over your house? Be careful. This is going to be a long trip. Is your family coming too? Your DGS would be a joy since he's studied this too. wave.gif to DGS ]
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Posted 22 October 2009 - 12:07 PM

My brain doesn't work well enough to join you, but I've seen a lot of Westerns in my day.

My recollection is one cot inside the wagon for the ill or very small, the others sleep under or beside it. I've also seen hammocks for infants swinging from the roof struts.

Pots and pans hanging along the outside of the wooden part under the ledge, along with axe heads etc on lines. I'm assuming tied in several places - not risking everything on one line!

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 01:56 PM

QUOTE (Mt_Rider @ Oct 22 2009, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You guys did get all my books in there too, right? The big guy for driver sounds good, AH. Especially if we have to unload the library wagon to change a wheel.


Hey Micheal. I have two hunks [5' long?] of iron 'I' beam. Is that the sort of thing you can work with in your blacksmithing? Some wagon train lists include ingots/bars/whatever of iron/metals. What would you need? And what exactly *would* go in a blacksmithing wagon? Have we got a driver for that one?


OK first off yes we got your books packed along with Lori's Library and a few others that people gave us for the trip. Even had some room for a few boards (used to stack books) so we can make shelves when we get there.
Now about those [5' long?] iron 'I' beams ? at first I thought that they may weigth to much to take? but then as we were packing the books the wagon started to c r e e k and make all kinds of noises? so I was thinking maybe we could tie those beams under the wagon to help support the floor? also help with the balance seeing we have boxes stacked high on the sides and more 'stuff' down the middle.

About the guy we met................

His name is Bill (and DON'T call him billy!) Armstrong. Which is funny as he is 'arm strong' as he used to work for the railroad laying ties and repairing track before the great layoff. With no Family he just wants to travel but with little money in the bank - times are hard. If you want him to drive the Library wagon or the Blacksmith wagon he's ready. Lori already has plans to help him read better so he can get a better job out west.


I have some tools, heavy apron, gloves,small billows,some scrap metal and of cause my small anvil and 3 books so I can make a forge.

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 02:13 PM

QUOTE (Mother @ Oct 22 2009, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Congrats on your posts AH but we CAN'T go yet.


I have taken an area in my entryway that is approximately the square footage of a wagon. It's shorter and wider but it gives me a view of the area I'd need to fill. I have been placing items there, things I felt we couldn't do without and believe me,,,It's not all going to fit and still have room for bedding above it all.



I guess we have it a bit easier then most as we ARE living that way already for the most part.
And we also have a area set aside for things like:
Our wooden ironing board ans 2 flat irons
A small wood stove and portable oven that sits on top

Hand cranked bread maker (Michael make bread in it every week)
hand crank wringer washer and wash tubs (packed now with stuff to take)
Quilts, feather pillows, blankets, sleeping mats
Lanterns, rayo lamps, solar lights (oops), lamp fluid
waterproof box matches (strike anywhere), flint stick (square of stone and flint piece?)
Things for when we get there:
Hand plow, cultivator, hoes, and pitchforks. rakes, shovels, pickax, axes & hatchets, hay rake, etc.
wheelbarrow, pails and buckets (another place to pack things and hang from the side)
*Michael's Treadle sewing machine (yes he uses it all the time)
extra bolts of fabric and all kind of stuff to make things.
3 sewing buckets ( Michael's, Lori's and one for heavy work), Knitting stuff and crochet things
all hand tools needed to cut lumber and built things with as well as hand drills, planers, chisels, basic woodworking tools,etc.


OK I will stop for now but as you can see we will be fine!

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 04:34 PM

Seeee...I'm getting my wagon packed so we can get on the road. PCS, Q, Mommadogs, STEPHANIE???, Arby?, who else was going? How are you all doing? Can you get any ideas from the lists that have been posted? Any questions?

Oh, and I put in a new category you might want to think about: Hunting and Gathering Food:

Ok, my list currently:

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Participants: MtRider & MrMtR
Skills:
chiro/health care/herbal/acupuncture/First Aid
knowledge of horses [& donkey], goats, ducks, dogs, cats....including some vet care.
gardening experience
minor canning experience
campfire cooking experience
some wildcrafting experience
lead women's Bible study..& dh knows Greek
some hunting/fishing
some constructing of shelter/building

Added:
pretty good with short-term weather forecasting

Animals:
I'll chose an OXEN team for our wagon. Sturdy, strong, steady.....(are they as dumb as they seem?)

1 horse,
1 donkey,
------and equine tack, brushes/hoof picks, blankets, water buckets, packs & saddlebags

a dozen ducks in a cage strapped to the side of the wagon
------water dishes, buckets of feed for layers, egg cleaning "buff" glove, waterglass concentrate and bucket to preserve without refrigeration,

4 Nigerian dwarf milk goats-does [need to breed them before we leave...or Steph, is your buck a dwarf/mini??]
------5 gal bucket with birthing supplies, picnic basket with normal milking equipment, minerals, some grain/alfalfa for milkers, hoof trimmers, MILKING STAND....Or at least the head stanchion. shrug.gif

guardian BIG DOG
-------Dog's BOB, harness, collar, lead rope, chews, bed cover (can be stuffed with dried grass for her to sleep on), small, waterproof tent....in case of rain and the already-wet dog is NOT sleeping in our tent! ohmy.gif

cat has to come for rodent control when we get there
-------Cat's BOB and carrier, food, dishes, string toy,......and earplugs cuz she'll be howling her unhappiness the whole way. rolleyes.gif I use a halter-type [not neck collar] and leash. More secure for slippery cats. Also have a small, pop-up, net tunnel thing for her to stretch her legs but would need watching.


Kitchen:
--Lots of cast iron...but I don't have any larger fire pit dutch ovens for the communal kitchen. Fry pans to share tho.
--Family [manual] grain grinder...with 4 attatchments: grinder, veggie slicer/dicer, meat grinder, grain cereal flaker.
--Backup grinder
--Apple peelers
--Food mill
--Sauerkraut bucket/pounder/net cover
--Sherman [the tank] canner....all implements, and a tote full of salt, pickle spice, canning lids, etc. And all canning jars padded with all my towels and sox stuffed inside.
--Stock pots - I'd select the SS ones if I had no room for the enamel ones [they chip/rust].
--Two wooden box set of kitchen storage. Like the back end of a chuckwagon. Custom made for me loooong ago. Stuffed with the basics of flatwear, utensils, camping pot set, spices, etc.
--bakeware: bread pans, muffin pans, etc
--mebbe the long, fold-up table?
--Hmmm....thinking of the weight... can I afford to bring the coal/wood kitchen stove that resided in my garage? I think it would be EVER SO useful when we got there. [I can see that we won't have room to sleep in the wagon bed at this rate.
--ALL of my kitchen knives.
--I think I'll forgo the "china" that the ladies usually insisted on. Or even Correllware. I'll opt for my several pie plates, 1970's tupperware glasses [indistructable], and a couple of modern insulated hot beverage mugs. [Bring Your Own Mug around the nightly campfires!]
--trays to my dehydrator [going 'solar'] and the 2 collapsing sweater dryers for same purpose
--THE KITCHEN SINK...as promised. curtsey.gif Actually a laundry sink with take-off legs. It's not heavy.
--scrubbie pads, wash cloths, scrub brushes
--Dish soap

Added:
--3 long bars of rebar affixed together at one end for a cooking tripod with chain & hook for stew pot
--All my various grills from BBQ's
--plastic sheets for cutting boards

Health/sanitation:
Bathroom---
--small pop-up tent [no floor] and bedside commode chair [use with container or without]
--unisex urinal [when ya gotta go.... ]
--Yep, gonna bring TP...unless the weight is too much, but esp. for traveling.
--lots of squares of cloth and a "diaper pail" for washable T.P.
--disinfecting wet wipes for traveling
--5 gal black collapsing shower bag with spray nozzle
--concentrated shampoo/conditioner/body wash [need only tiny bit]
--backpacking towels [very small but huge absorbency ]

General---


Medical:
Medical things going into the Medical Special Wagon
--Assorted reference books for human and critter medical care [herbal, nutritional, old tyme and modern]...this is like a second library wagon! DH has LOTS of reference books.
--Two 5 gal buckets with ANIMAL First Aid supplies
--Paramedics box with basic 1st Aid stuff
--Big RED TOTE with re-supply for those other kits AND
------also contains lots of braces [knees, back, wrist, etc], and wraps, etc.
--pair of forearm crutches
--pair of regular adjustable crutches


Personal Use in our wagon:
--Our cloth satchel with all the herb pills/teas...plus gathering up nutritional supplements too. [behind the seat of wagon]
--Two RED BAGS with basic First AID equipment [one located in the saddle bags of our horse, the other packed just behind the front seat of our wagon]
--assorted canes for my use but can be borrowed [lotsa extra cane tips]
--light wheelchair
--oh-oh......I need to bring my disability 4 wheeled scooter with a solar charger for the battery.....How am I gonna do that? CAN I do that? May have to sell it and buy another donkey/cart?.... shrug.gif
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Shelter/Sleeping:
--8-person canvas tent [now or on arrival]
--several small tents [worst come to worst..one could be a goat miking shelter]
--plastic woven tarps/clear plastic sheets
--cordage: ropes, twine,etc
--bug screening material [one set fitted for each end of the wagon]
--bug screen drape for sleeping under or eating under
--sleeping bags, sheets, pillow
--inflating bed/foot pump



Clothing:

.....

Tools: [tool freak here....look out, oxen! ]
21st Century stuff:
--2-way radios [yea 21st century]
--solar/wind-up radio-light
--solar battery charger
--Weather Forecasting: Hi/Lo registering thermometer, rain gauge, altimeter used as barometer [high altitude thing], 2 barometers, reference books, Binder for recording daily weather data.
--small megaphone [for making announcements] run on solar-rechargeable batteries

Hand tools:
Hammers, sledge, etc , drill brace/bits, planes, chisels, screw drivers,
Lotsa nails, staples, screws, rivets, etc
Different saws...wood, ripping, fine tooth, miter, logs, hack saw,
Ax, hatchet, ALL hunting/utility knives,

Long handled:
Hoes, rakes, shovels, spades, gardening fork, manure rake,

Love to bring wheel barrow(s) but mebbe just the wheel assembly & we'll build a wooden one when we arrive?
Child's plastic toboggans-- for hauling/dragging loads. [I can mount them from the wagon hoops cuz very light.]


Lighting:
--wind-up head lamps [they are very good!]
--assorted shake lights
--all candles, wrapped in wax paper and try to keep from melting
--oil barn-type lantern


Food/water:
Water.... We have the water wagon but I'll have
--our 2 3 gallon jugs (spigots)that I can actually lift/carry for transporting from that wagon.
--Designate one 5 gal [gasket lid] to be strapped on the side for grey water use and automatic clothes washing as we jog and juggle along. smile.gif
--Plenty of personal water bottles.
--Collapsing 5 gallon jug.
--Several (stacked together) buckets/other containers for livestock watering-5 gal to small
--Collapsible silicone round cake pan for big dog
--Camelbak-type thing
--Multiple canteens

--AND a big kettle/dipper for boiling water to purify if needed or just for hot water
--Also have Katadin Pocket Filter/refills but I'd save that if boiling was available. Water purifying tablets in EDC {every day carry} in case of crisis/lost/whatever. Coffee filters/cloth to pre-filter water. Non-disposable coffee filter from [now unusable] electric coffee maker.

Food: I wanna bring it ALL! How much does 150# of wheat weigh? laughkick.gif {poor oxen} Some whole grains would be used for seed when we get there too.

--Grains: Wheat, Oat, Barley, Rice, more rice, sweet rice, white flour, popcorn, baking mix, oat bran, gluten,
--Legume: Beans, lotsa beans, yellow&green peas, alfalfa for sprouting,
--Oils: Shortening/lard, liquid oils, olive oil, salad dressing, mayo
--Sugar/honey/molasses/jams/peppermint sticks [lots]
--Salt: Iodine, non Iodine, sea salts, seasoning salts
--Powdered milk (augment goat's milk)
--Baking Cocoa powder
--Vinegar and mother of vinegars
--Baking soda, baking powder, beef gelatin,
--Fruits: dehydrating all in my fridge/freezer. Have some dehydrated apples. Raisins, Plums, dates, apricots, craisins,
--Veggies: dehydrate any in my freezer. Have done quite a bit. {NOTE TO SELF IRL: Get more carrots/onions/peas for dehydrating!} Dehydrate the "rootcellar" veggies [beets, carrots, taters, cabbage, collards (still in garden)] Instant taters..yuk.
--Packets of dry soup mixes
--Spices: These are light-weight but all those glass containers are not. Must repackage for the trip. Including bouillon.
--Meats: make jerky outta most of it in freezer. Put cured/smoked bacon/ham in bran? Meats in foil packets. Tuna in cans? Mebbe some of the home-canned meats/stews? WELL-padded? Heavy. Mebbe just pack ammo and get fresh?
--Energy bars, nuts, jams, crackers, candies, gorp, .....for eating on the trail
--Pasta, Ramen, Asian noodles (bean thread, yam thread, rice thread, etc...very light-weight and expands!), mac&cheese boxes {to augment in dire case of fatigue},
--Cereals/Crackers: Eat them while they are still good.
--Peanut butter [plastic container, not glass]
--SweetBabyRay's
--Hot cocoa mix [lots...I don't drink coffee]
--Coffee [DH does]
--Teas [herbal and caffeinated]
--Protein shake mixes [chocolate, of course]



Hunting and Gathering Food:
--Small inflatable boat, oars, life jackets, etc
--Fishing equipment
--Hunting/defensive equipment
--I.D. books for wild edible gathering

For when we arrive:
--glass oil lamps
--seeds: garden veggies, herbs,
--rootstock: rhubarb, potatoes for sets [purple and white], yarrow, gooseberry/currant,
--live potted plants: aloe, mint(s),
--more towels/bedding/cloth/
--Grma's sewing machine (old and hope someone can convert to a treadle)

---MOUSE TRAPS & RAT-SIZED TRAPS {also moles, chippys, etc} yuk.gif

MtRider [the laptop is getting hot...gotta give it and me a rest now.... ]

Edited by Mt_Rider, 22 October 2009 - 05:10 PM.
add mouse/rat traps

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 07:32 PM

OK so here we go.....................

let see now -
  • People: Michael and Lori
  • Skills: ......... Lori works at Library and loves reading and can cook. Some sewing and gardening skills as well.
    Michael ….. well lets see? what can't he do? Good with hands, loves working outdoors, Homestead Gardening (all hand tools and home made supports, fences, garden Benches, things like that) and Homesteading anything to do with Homesteading.
  • Animals and supplies: ........... 2 big ox plus 1 spare yearling, riding horse (Michael rides –Lori don't), all the harnesses and hardware needed (Michael can and has fixed before), 4 chicken, 2 cats (please), 1 cow (just freshened), 2 goats
  • Kitchen: ..... Small wood stove and portable oven that sits on top, the right kind of pots and pans as well as all the spoons, flippers, cooking thingies.
    Hand cranked bread maker (Michael make bread in it every week)
    Everything we will need to cook and prepare food we have and use on a daily bases- most of the stuff in our Kitchen is non- electric : coffee pot, coffee grinder, can opener, cooker, bread machine, etc. Have a oldtime colman Kitchen- big wooden box that has a dropdown front and lots of space inside for all your camping cook stuff (like a little chuck wagon)
  • Health/sanitation..... For the most part we are Health and don't take any pills other then vitamins
    WELL Lori said she is TAKING her 'chamber chair' (yes we have used it before) we also have chamber pots (2) and Michael has a glass urineal. Homemade soap and Lots of T paper (will use it for packing material on the way.
  • Medical... we will do OK as we never go to Doctors for just a cold or things like that. Have a few supplies like ace bandages, creams for burns, well a first aid full of stuff too.
  • Shelter.... Quilts, feather pillows, blankets, sleeping mats. Big 2 room tent for when we first get there with all the supplies needs to set up camp (table, chairs, cookstove, solor lights, extra tarps, etc. Lots of rope, and extra poles (PVC) just in case)
  • Clothing..... We will have all our 'pioneer clothes' and Michael can sew anything we need when we get there. We wear nothing 'fancy' now just simple dresswear – so nothing to give up?
    hand crank wringer washer and wash tubs (packed now with stuff to take)
    Our wooden ironing board and 2 flat irons
    *Michael's Treadle sewing machine (yes he uses it all the time)
    extra bolts of fabric and all kind of stuff to make things
    3 sewing buckets ( Michael's, Lori's and one for heavy work), Knitting stuff and crochet things
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  • Tools... all hand tools needed to cut lumber and built things with as well as hand drills, planers, chisels, basic woodworking tools, etc. Michael like to use hand tools even when building things at home most of the time.
  • Lighting.... Lanterns, rayo lamps, solar lights (oops), lamp fluid
    waterproof box matches (strike anywhere), flint stick (square of stone and flint piece?)
  • Food/water...... the right kind of pots and pans as well as all the spoons, flippers, cooking thingies. food wish we are set with both dried, bulk and canned food. Pluse all the basics - flour, sugar, salt and all the pails to keep them safe on the trip.
  • For when we arrive......(like seeds, plow,) Hand plow, cultivator, hoes, and pitchforks. rakes, shovels, pickax, axes & hatchets, hay rake, etc. wheelbarrow, pails and buckets (another place to pack things and hang from the side)
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Posted 22 October 2009 - 10:25 PM

I did a 6 hour trip today and thought of many things.... your lists have also reinforced my need to make sure I have things ready. Time to go sell some stuff that I wouldn't be able to bring for a few things I still need.
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 06:31 AM

I'm here!!! but kind on the sidelines watching the flurry of activity, I think I'm mesmerized by it all. wacko.gif

I'm not up to making a full sized list (too many real life requirements right now), but I'm enjoying reading the ones that y'all have created. I did have a couple of thoughts that I don't THINK anyone has mentioned.

I'm going to add leather needles and canvas needles to the collection, as well as a leather punching kit. This can make life much easier when we start to make moccasins and use the leather that we will eventually have. Something like this.

http://www.corpsredi...egory_Code=LTHR



Along the line of the library wagon, I began to think of the educational needs of the children...my children in particular smile.gif The library will provide excellent resources, but I'm thinking of paper (which would be a precious commodity) and pencils/crayons/chalks and chalkboards. I'd probably want a kit along this line for each child...plus a few extra.

http://www.corpsredi...de=cnp-projkits


Did anyone mention patterns?? for sewing? for moccasins? What about our stashes of thread and material? I'm understanding now a bit better how precious a soft piece of calico must have been to those ladies long ago.



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Posted 23 October 2009 - 09:38 AM

QUOTE (Stephanie @ Oct 23 2009, 04:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
but I'm thinking of paper (which would be a precious commodity) and pencils/crayons/chalks and chalkboards. I'd probably want a kit along this line for each child...plus a few extra.

I've got some of that covered, a couple reams of paper, drawing paper, pastel & charcoal pads, 3-4 manilla paper rolls, a mega collection of pastels with a couple boxes of standard chalk, a 6"W x 12"L x 6"H container full of pencils, pens, erasers, and a large box of crayons. (Wondering if I could squeeze in some of my oil, acrylic & water paints? Drat...more weight.... back to my packing list...)
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 09:56 AM

if you have a large family and you have more than one adult male (old west standard) then each male could have a wagon. today's standard might be every fully capable adult.

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 12:22 PM

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see below

OK so here we go.....................

let see now -
  • People:….. Michael and Lori a.k.a. Rusty and Emma Nailes
  • Skills: ......... Lori works at Library and loves reading and can cook. Some sewing and gardening skills.
    Michael ….. well lets see? what can't he do? Good with hands, loves working outdoors, Homestead Gardening (all hand tools and home made supports, fences, garden Benches, things like that) and Homesteading anything to do with Homesteading.

  • Animals and supplies: ........... 2 big ox plus 1 spare yearling, riding horse (Michael rides –Lori don't),
    all the harnesses and hardware needed (Michael can and has fixed before), 4 chicken, 2 cats (please), 1 cow (just freshened), 2 goats

  • Kitchen: ..... Small wood stove and portable oven that sits on top, the right kind of pots and pans as well as all the spoons, flippers, cooking thingies.
    Hand cranked bread maker (Michael make bread in it every week)
    Everything we will need to cook and prepare food we have and use on a daily bases- most of the stuff in our Kitchen is non- electric : coffee pot, coffee grinder, can opener, eggbeaters, cooker, bread machine, etc. Have a oldtime Colman Kitchen- big wooden box that has a dropdown front and lots of space inside for all your camping cook stuff (like a little chuck wagon).Canners (both water bath and Pressure Canners) and 1 big oval one that sits over 2 burners and can do 18 qts. at a time.
  • Health/sanitation..... For the most part we are Health and don't take any pills other then vitamins
    WELL Lori said she is TAKING her 'chamber chair' (yes we have used it before) we also have chamber pots (2) and Michael has a glass urineal. Homemade soap and Lots of T paper (will use it for packing material on the way.
  • Medical... we will do OK as we never go to Doctors for just a cold or things like that. Have a few supplies like ace bandages, creams for burns, well a first aid full of stuff too.

  • Shelter.... Quilts, feather pillows, blankets, sleeping mats Big 2 room tent for when we first get there with all the supplies needs to set up camp (table, chairs, cookstove, solar lights, extra tarps, etc. Lots of rope, and extra poles (PVC) just in case)

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  • [color="#000000"]Clothing..... We will have all our 'pioneer clothes' and Michael can sew anything we need when we get there. We wear nothing 'fancy' now just simple dresswear – so nothing to give up?
    *Michael's Treadle sewing machine (yes he uses it all the time)
    extra bolts of fabric and all kind of stuff to make things
    3 sewing buckets ( Michael's, Lori's and one for heavy work), Knitting stuff and crochet things
    Lori's head coverings and bonnets. (Michael can make more if needed)

  • Tools... all hand tools needed to cut lumber and built things with - as well as hand drills, planers, chisels, basic woodworking tools, etc.

  • Lighting.... Lanterns, rayo lamps, solar lights (oops), lamp fluid
    waterproof box matches (strike anywhere), flint stick (square of stone and flint piece?)

  • Food/water...... the right kind of pots and pans as well as all the spoons, flippers, cooking thingies. food wish we are set with both dried, bulk and canned food. Plus all the basics - flour, sugar, salt and all the pails to keep them safe on the trip.

  • Other Stuff: we both have pocket watch (in case we need to know the time).
    Our portable hand cranked Victrola and 78's (packed well) Music will keep us happy and healthy
    Our wooden ironing board and 2 flat irons.
    2 large wooden drying racks that fold flat.
    hand crank wringer washer and wash tubs
    (6) (packed now with stuff to take) *also can be used as bathtub (yes done that many a time)

  • For when we arrive...... Hand plow, cultivator, hoes, and pitchforks. rakes, shovels, pickax, axes & hatchets, hay rake, etc. wheelbarrow, pails and buckets (another place to pack things and hang from the side). Seeds form the 2009 Seed Exchange we just did plus lots of seeds for growing flowers, herbs and vegetables.
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 12:24 PM

My list will be up soon but first I have to go back to it and DELETE things that could be manufactured after we get there and save on space and weight for those more desperately needed items.

I will agree on the books, especially a well rounded selection that would carry children into adulthood but......what we bring along for books might be decided by the type of community we plan to build. We might have an incredible amount of how-to information among us who are going but what do we see for the future of our children in this community? Will they need to know more about survival than comfort? Will they need to learn about history so as not to repeat it? hmmmmm thoughts to think on but not necessarily to discuss here though I'm sure that the pilgrims, pioneers, settlers, and others moving to new wildernesses thought those things as well. Are we going to all this work so we can end up back where we were?

As for paper. It can be made from wood pulp and natural fibers of which I believe we might have plenty. Might not be commercial grade but it would work. Most pioneer kids practiced with a stick in the dirt or a piece of charcoal from the fire on the hearth or from slate black boards they carried with them. Nice to have some good quality things along but at what sacrifice to something else?

Pencils, crayons, colored pensils, ink pens???? Ink we can make from natural materials, even in colored form perhaps; pencils are possible with a source of graffite or even lead though that's not real safe for kids; Charcoal can be utilized as well.

Again, in order to really know what we need to bring along we need to know what we plan for the future community or even the future of our family. So many possibilities! You got to love it..... biggrin.gif
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 04:35 PM

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My list will be up soon but first I have to go back to it and DELETE things that could be manufactured after we get there and save on space and weight for those more desperately needed items.


Tell you what, Mother. Can you also post the list of things you deleted and the reason why? I think that would be very instructive. I'm putting up even the kitchen sink in mine and ....well, I'm not sure for this exercise I'll ever get around to pruning it down. But if I had to pack our vehicle with just what it would carry....or WORSE, our horse & donkey.... ohmy.gif Well this IS a big part of this Scenario for me.

That said, it's obvious that we will all chose differently as to what we will prioritize. AND after we'd been living in the woods for a few weeks/months...we'd ALL likely have *different* ideas on what is absolutely crucial and "why did I leave that behind and bring this ole useless thang?" [I redid my Evacuate for Wildfire list immediately upon returning home after 3 weeks gone....before I forgot what I'd learned is truly important. ]


Anyway, one of my criteria for bringing *some* things is calculating the energy/time saved in our initial weeks/months in the new lifestyle. It's been mentioned that if we merely do not have to learn "to raise the sheep/shear the wool/card*spin*weave*sew" for a year or two, it would be a big relief and further energies can be spent on getting the garden in or hunting meat. These are my transition items. Things that will eventually be discarded [used up/broken/whatever] but deemed worthy of their value before that happens. Even solar charged batteries will eventually wear out & not recharge again.


This sort of thing is often found in the Sci-fi stories of colonizing other worlds...where it is a one-way trip. I'm always fascinated by these stories and their choices and their consequences. And we all live with the choices of what to value and what to discard every day.

On the other hand [I keep bouncing back and forth on this....part of the value of the exercise] if we need to get down to SERIOUS basics and are not ABLE to bring out the kitchen sink......then we are down to Water&Food, Keeping Dry/Warm&Cool/Clean, Injury&Illness solutions, and Safety. Little else matters if those issues are not addressed first. Hmmm, I think I have my parameters now to look at my list again. Those basics first and then adding some Transition Items and then....a few luxuries that won't break the oxen.

Steph and others...that would be fine if you just make additions rather than completing the whole list. Anything forgotten. In those days, I'm sure if any of the folks knew each other before the trail, they were asking each other if anyone was bringing this or that. Saves room if the whole camp can use AH's gardening plow.... bouquet.gif LOL


MtRider [....my leather working kit is definitely going. Edit under "TOOLS" ]

Edited by Mt_Rider, 23 October 2009 - 05:12 PM.
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Posted 23 October 2009 - 07:27 PM

QUOTE (Mother @ Oct 19 2009, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Trying to list things Mt_Rider suggested. I'll add more about what we are bringing along soon.

Skills:

As skills go, I have a few, but am more jack of many trades than master of one. (I suspect that Michael is that way as well) (by the way, I just caught the connotation of the assumed names AH, LOL)

I have a lot of years in teaching open fire cooking. I have also taught pioneer daily life skills, including making "do" with what we have, Herb lore and usage, food preservation in the past, old ways of producing light, staying warm, doing laundry, cheese making, and more.

DH and I and our kids did wildlife rescue (27 years of doing it) and the knowledge of wildlife habitats, how they react in given situations (not always possible as they can be unpredictable), and etc might be valuable.

I have some Fiber crafts knowledge (knitting, crochet, weaving, knitting board, spool weaving, and more).

I have knowledge and skills in small livestock handling and rearing, especially the old ways, and have some knowledge in herbal remedies for them.

I have lots of gardening experience, and some wild crafting knowledge.

I also have organizational and people handling skills, as it's what I did for years for a living.

I have also, as part of a life long love of pioneer living and a desire to learn first hand what it took to do so, lived for months at a time as our pioneer ancestors did. That is, without electricity, with no running water except what ingenuity rigged up, with only wood heat and cooking, and etc. They did NOT have it easy!

What I DON'T have is the physical ability to carry out some of these skills as I did in the past. What is it they say about those who can do; and those who can't teach! I'm probably closer to the teaching end than the doing end.

DH will be a great asset but in ways not specific most likely. He is a jack of many trades and can repair almost anything. He is a good make do carpenter. Even at our age (retired) he can outwork many younger than he. His middle name is Ingenuity, LOL. He is also a very good hunter.

Hopefully we'll have family coming with us. DD can do almost everything I can plus she is excellent with numbers. GKs are all versatile and willing to help. One GSIL knows hunting inside and out. SIL can handle any farm livestock there is and can not only drive teams but also can farm using them. He can repair almost anything, including farm equipment of the old fashioned kind.

DS #2 (#1 is in Thailand and won't be coming along) can do almost anything with metal, mechanics, and he is named after his father's middle name. LOL

Youngest son is an excellent and avid hunter and sportsman, welder, mechanic etc. His children, while young, are all willing workers. DDIL has an active mind and can shoot as well as any in the family.

I hope there are some things in this list of abilities that will make us good trail mates and useful members of our new community.



Mt_R asks that I list what I took OFF my list and why but I had already deleted them when she asked. Most of what I did delete was because of the ability to do without it on the trail and to manufacture it after we arrived. There were also things like extra pans and kitchen gadgets that could have made life a bit easier but took up more space/weight than I was willing to trade off. (I have a lot of 12 volt and hand operated appliances)

Another thing I'd like to touch on before posting my list is that modern material could be used in place of cotton or wool or denim. Some of it is often very strong and durable and even warm if you are talking thinsulate type things. Some of it is not suitable for around the fire though. Melting is one of the problems. Bolts of that type of material would also be lighter to bring along. Still, it's something to consider. Once there, however, we'd have to reconsider what our clothing would be made from.

Okay, list:
If all the family comes on the journey we would probably be allowed five wagons. (Five families). Perhaps one would be a supply wagon if some family members doubled up. We will most likely be using a combination of horses, mules, and oxen for the teams but will have to sell many things to be able to afford them and the wagons. Two of the drivers would have to be trained.

Animals/livestock:

Five Nigerian Goats [3 does, 2 bucks] maybe a kid or two if old enough

Two or three Jersey milk cows (to be purchased, we have access to them)

Two ewes, one ram sheep

Two geese in cage on side of wagon (or herded with livestock to graze)

Several chickens also in cages

Wouldn’t mind a few small piglets

Three big dogs (two hunters, one Saint)

Like Mt_Rider, perhaps a couple cats for rodent problems (caged)

Several riding horses

Horses/mules/oxen for teams (to be purchased)

All necessary tack for horses and oxen

Buckets and containers for feed and water as needed (tied on various wagons)

Livestock first aid kit


Grain as needed for animals but will hope to find graze and natural sources of feed along the way.



Most of the extra tack and all the feed and supplies will be carried in the supply wagon with all extra gear for repairs to wagons and for farming/gardening (plow shares perhaps, various small parts, rakes, hoes, shovels and etc.).



The wagon might also contain the corn, popcorn, wheat, rye, barley, oats, Rice?, beets, potatoes, turnips, carrots, and other field seed but not all of it. Some field seeds, along with garden seeds, would be distributed among the other wagons to ensure safety of arrival.

Hand shears and electric shears (run from solar pack at first) for sheep for wool

Various wood working tools in box

Large toolbox with various mechanical and carpentry tools

Leather working tools

Two man crosscut saw

Regular saws for both carpentry and firewood



Hunting and fishing supplies and ammo (guns to numerous to mention, bows/arrows, sling shots, etc) We will most likely have them distributed to members of the family and in various wagons.



The supply wagon will most likely be our heaviest wagon and would need to be packed cautiously as to weight and distribution. It would have the heaviest team of oxen or mules.



I would like to take along a jersey bull but that would depend. Bulls do not make good oxen I understand nor are they usually trustworthy to handle. Any suggestions?





Cooking: (some of these will be shared by family both on the trail and after arriving) The family has their own lists for their own wagons as well



For the Fire: Two pair of long cuffed leather welding gloves and two pair of short cuffed (we can make more later);

Two good shovels of different sizes;

Two sets of long handled BBQ utensils (one is wrought iron)

Folding reflector/oven;

One medium sized grate, and One or two med. Sized steel plate (makes cooking much faster and cleaner)

Two campfire ovens (one double and one single folding but depends on space)

Four Dutch Ovens with lids (two with flanges and feet)

Two large spiders (Big cast fry pans with feet and lids)

One cast iron chicken fryer (deep fry pan with lid)

Several cast iron saucepans and skillets

One large cast iron straight-sided bean cooker

Two or three lid lifters

Two lid holders (can be used to hold pans in fire as well)

Several iron trivets

Various odd cast items as space and weight dictates



Durable Enamelware dinner service for eight, (for use after arriving)

Stainless steel mess kits for each individual (for on the trail)

Various stainless steel pots and pans with lids (as room permits but not necessary)

Large SS turkey frying pots

Various stainless steel bowls, containers and utensils

Various Rubbermaid type bowls, containers, and utensils (most either nested or full of supplies for the trip)

Set of good kitchen knives plus many extras

Two water bath canners (more for large cooking and heating water)

Two pressure canners with extra gauges/weights/seals etc

Several boxes of canning jars with zinc lids and rubber seals (filled with dried foods)

Several boxes of bail lid canning jars with extra rubber seals (filled with dried foods)

(last two items packed with foam between as they are packed now in the motor home)

Various canning supplies as room permits, in canners perhaps

Foley food mill

Hand grain grinder

Hand operated blender

Hand operated juicer (with extra parts)

SS mandolin slicer/grater (large size will work to make kraut etc)

(Possibly various sized sharpened blades for making kraut makers, slicers and etc. after arriving)

Milk setting pans (for cheese and etc)

Two or three Ice Tea jars with spigots (used to separate cream easily)

Cream cans

SS milk storage cans

Several large plastic buckets, all full of food and well packed

Two metal mesh egg baskets with locking lids (many uses)

Dehydrator racks, plastic and metal (optional if room, we can use sheets and etc)

Two hanging mesh five shelf food dehydrators (material, folds into small area)

Butchering saws and knives

Milking buckets and other dairy equipment and supplies





Misc.

Loom parts that can’t be easily or conveniently built (metal heddles and beaters)

Rain collection barrel for outside of wagon, gutters to gather water from cover and later from roofs.

Various bare root fruit trees, herbs and plants, various cuttings as well

Large selection of garden seeds and roots.

Misc. medical/herbal/ID books that are not included in the Library

Medium sized pop up tent with screen house attached that is very small and fairly light to take along.

Foam mattress because I just can’t handle hard though I’m sure it will eventually be replaced with wool.





Sanitation/bathroom/laundry:

Black folding solar shower (also SS shower head and hose for after arrival)

TP for trip and cloth squares and soaking bucket for later

Portable camping potty, Folding aluminum commode too.

Also have unisex urinal

Disinfectant wipes and four quarts hand sanitizer for trip

Towels and washcloths (will wrap around breakables where possible)

Twenty large bars well aged lye soap (used for shampoo, laundry, bathing, dishes)

Two gallon Vinegar for rinsing hair and etc (many uses)

Large tubs for laundry and bathing

Clamp on wringer for tubs



This list is still too long and will be cut more most likely. I haven't even touched on personal clothing and items yet but will work on those too. Have to be ready to go when Wagon Master says "wagons ho" biggrin.gif

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 12:18 AM

Okay let me give this a try and see what I can come up with using yall's lists as a guideline. Oh, I need to put a couple of books in the library wagon. A PDR for meds, Where There Is No Doctor, Nursing fundamentals (to teach others with), Surgical Atlas (praying I wont ever need it), Complete guide to Illnesses and their treatments. and OB/GYN Nursing. That's all for that wagon. Is there a medical wagon too? I need to put in a small bag with 20/25 lbs of equipment such as a couple of stethoscopes, bp cuffs (2), very padded thermometers, and some surgical clamps, etc...Bag/box will be about 12x12x12. Is that too big?

I guess we are going to have to go with the oxen team for the wagon and for plowing and such once we get to the homestead. I am really going to need a donkey or a horse though once we get there to make rounds on. Maybe someone would donate one or trade once we get there? Maybe that can be someones tuition for the nursing school I want to open! Hey I will need at least one apprentice, preferably female (due to child birth issues and modesty, etc..sorry guys) so if we have any young ladies age 15-35? Might be an idea for you. biggrin.gif

Okay, since I moved to TN from IN in one day with one load about the same size as this wagon, I might have a clue how to pack this lol. At least I am hoping so. It's just the weight ideas I am having a problem visualizing. Especially with hubby's still and that equipment! I think it will come in very handy in just having for tincture making alone! Not to mention using that for antiseptic properties. I am sure we can think up some other uses for 80-90 proof liquors.

Well let me start here and please give some feed back if I mess up. wub.gif

Mr. and Mrs. Q R.N for me. Everything from OB to ER. Also long time canner and sewing of clothes, quilts, etc...gardener for years. Willing to teach all. Good shooter. Avid fisherwoman. biggrin.gif Can cook outside and good scratch cooker. Can skin and butcher own wild game, clean own fish.
Mr. is electrician/plumber/gunsmith. Hunts, fishes, gardens. Has own water company so knows wells. Also has own still. 0327.gif Trains hunting dogs.

Animals: 5 dogs will all be coming. Trained to hunt rabbit, squirrel. Eat raw diet, BARF diet. 4-6 chickens. 1 rooster and others hens so we can propagate own flock. Cages for chickens along with waterer and feeder. 1- 50 lb. bag cracked corn for feed + leftovers, scraps. Dogs will eat leftovers, also 2- 50 lb bags dog feed.

Kitchen - 3 dutch ovens from 1 quart small fry lol to the big #10. All we own is cast iron around here so will pack in as much as we can. Have fry pans from the small #3 up to the larger ones. One good set of Old Hickory knives and sharpener. 1 AA model 921 canner. I can't leave that!! Has weight instead of guage now so no need to get it checked every year...whew! Canning jars....?????? Is it better to take them along packed with food or take them empty and packed inside and around them with sewing material????? I have boxes and boxes of them. Will pack in a lot of those. 1 tent wood stove - http://www.outfitter...kage-p-224.html only weighs 99 lbs! Not a bad heat output either! Made to heat a 14x16 or larger tent, light weight, so thought this might travel well to our new place to be used there until a better wood stove can be ordered. biggrin.gif Also have to enamel coffee pots to hang off the wagon from the large camp fire size to the regular 12 cup size. Also 50 lbs. green coffee beans. I can roast those over an open fire along the trail to use. Stuff like the cast iron pans, pots can be hung under or on the sides of the wagon. Will have hubby rig up something to strap chicken cages to the wagon also. Lets see, we need plates, silverware, coffee cups. I have a set of grannyware enamel that I think we will bring along. It's almost indestructible and made of metal. That blue with white flecks in it? Yep, that's it! Also need the meat grinder, apple/potato peeler/slicer/corer, Victorio strainer, hand mixer, spatulas, turners, canning lids and rings, odds and ends of kitchen ware.

Health: nursing bags and medical equipment in the other wagon. 1 small case of aspirin to medical wagon. Personal medical in small bag to go in our wagon.

Sanitation: TP for trip then using rags at the homestead. Keep those in a 5 gallon bucket in the outhouse in clean water. Get washed frequently like you would do for diapers. use that bucket on the trip (with a lid and removable seat) for potty. Shower bag and hose. Lots of soap in bars for personal, laundry, etc.. toothpaste and extra toothbrushes. Hair scrunchies, brushes, combs. Deodorant or baking soda/baby powder. Towels and wash rags.

Sleeping: Have a suitcase sized bag on rollers with a tent, 2 collapsible chairs, etc..in it for camping along side the wagon. Also has 2 sleeping bags in it rated to -20 degrees. I pray it wont ever get that cold while I am camping LOLOL...

Clothing. All jeans. Both his and mine. But I will also have my long jeans skirts. I wear those all the time and they are so comfortable. I even ride in them. Also a few shirts for each of us along with underware. And bringing bolts of material. May need to use the fabric to pack jars and such with to make sure we bring as much of it along as we can squeeze into the wagon. Small box of patterns for mens shirts, pants, womens shirts, skirts and dresses. Also women underware, children's pj's and clothes (shirts and overalls.).

Sewing supplies: bolts of fabric...see above on that. Also 2 sewing boxes about 10x10. One with nothing but spools of thread with packages of needles and loose straight pins packed in around the spools. And in the other one, buttons, zippers, hooks/eyes, buckles, tape measurer's, scissors, pinking shears, interfacing, etc... till I have to sit on it to get it closed! Also 1 treadle machine in a very small desk w/3 drawers packed with sewing supplies. Doesn't weigh much.

Hubby's supplies: gun-smithing tools. Light weight. PVC pipe strapped to the side of the wagon. 1 small box with elbow and such plus pipe glue and cleaner. Rod's and reels for fishing. Guns wrapped up in quilts except for one shotgun for under the seat of the wagon for protection. Shine still and copper piping. I thought about us leaving this but then hubby said "wouldn''t you want someone making that for tinctures and wound cleaning and what if you had to do surgery? What would you use to clean the site and the instruments with?" So I gave in and told him it would be okay to bring LOL!

General: Hand crank radio. Hand crank flashlight. Hurricane lamps. Candles. hubby can make table, chairs, bed frame when we get there out of wood. Hand tools to make home with. That is going to be weighty...but needed. Nails. Would a 3 gallon bucket full be enough? Or a 5 gallon? Sod for roof so no shingles. Oh, a sink please. I know we are going to forget something here...that is what scares me the most. What if we get out there and I forgot something stupid, like a can opener or the hand saw to cut the wood with? Oh add an axe here also and the saw and the can opener lol. But yall know what I mean? Ugh...back to packing...one well point and a hand driver. Need metal pipe to get it down with then will change to the PVC we brought with also. Save the metal pipe so someone else can use it to drive their well down with. two man saw.

Okay that's enough for now. Will work on the people food tomorrow. Getting late now. Please look this over and tell me if I am doing okay or completely off the mark?

Q
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