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#41 TurtleMama


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Posted 22 December 2012 - 09:17 PM

Holy Jesus, please let me not throw my computer out the window because of the anger I am feeling right now.

SERIOUSLY PEOPLE!!!!!!!! NO, Asperger's is NOT a MENTAL ILLNESS, it is a DEVELOPMENTAL DISORDER. Get your facts straight before you spout off what you THINK you know.

YES, I do take this VERY personally because my son was diagnosed with Asperger's in October. If you want verification that autism is not a mental illness, I strongly recommend that you speak to someone who has an advanced degree in neuropyschology before you start quoting what you've read on the internet or what you THINK you know.

I literally had to take a week off from this website because of how upset I was by the statements being made. Then I came back to this. Wow. I never thought that the people on this website could be so incredibly ignorant and cruel. Unbelievable. And you can remove my post and ignore the fact that I am calling those of you who are calling Asperger's a mental illness out on the carpet for it, but you'll be doing the entire population of this website a huge disservice.

I have GRIEVED for the children and adults who were killed at Sandy Hook Elementary, but I have equally grieved for my son and others in the autism community as I have seen some of the most ignorant, nasty, disgusting things said about them as a result of what happened. And the saddest thing is, some of them were said here.

I never thought that I would feel it necessary to leave this community, but the time has come. I refuse to be in league with people who would malign people in the way I've seen people with autism maligned here. It's repulsive.
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#42 Annarchy


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Posted 22 December 2012 - 09:28 PM



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#43 The WE2's

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 11:24 PM

Let not a few rule over the most...personally, I believe we each have a "dumb zone" and often just don't know where it is until we step in it...:-(

Matthew 6:11  "Give us this day our daily bread...amen." 

Phillipians 4:19  "And my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus....amen"

1 Corinthians 13:4-8  "Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant  or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth.  It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things"...let me walk this out Lord.


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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:13 AM

Clip ain't the right term for that thing that holds the bullets. It's a "magazine". But everyone knows what is meant. And actually, the bullet is only the part the comes out, the magazine holds the entire cartridge which contains case, powder, primer, and bullet. I don't threaten to up and leave and stomp my foot and hold my breath till my face turns blue every time someone gets the terminology wrong and calls a magazine a clip or a cartridge a bullet.

Bottom line is, there's something wrong in the head - whether it is structural damage as the teratogen/carcinogen evidence suggests, electrochemical, enzyme based or simply a lack of something as the genetic evidence suggest, the person with AS is not "normal". 'Else we wouldn't be having this discussion.

The adult male (not a child) murdered his mom and a bunch of kids and he is claimed to have been diagnosed with AS. One of the major characteristics of the AS spectrum is a lack of empathy and social reciprocity. These are characteristics one would expect in a person committing mass murder. So it is reasonable for intelligent and rational adults to associate one with the other.

So you can CHOOSE to get all dramatic and drama-queen like, or maybe you can see a great teachable moment to educate people on the difference between AS and ASD and what the effects are on social interaction. Seems like you are being handed a silver platter of opportunity here to share your knowledge. Guess I just don't see the point of stormin' off and slamming the door.

Edited by Gunplumber, 23 December 2012 - 10:26 AM.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:52 AM


Edited by lumabean, 23 December 2012 - 10:55 AM.

#46 Cricket


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Posted 24 December 2012 - 08:39 AM

Turtlemama, I hear your pain, and I appreciate that you are lashing out in defense of your child, for fear that he and others like him will be painted with the same brush as a mass murderer. This is a safe place for you, and no one here thinks that way. If anything, it makes me and many others here make a point of covering you and your boy in prayer.

I don't think that acknowledging that the killer was reported to have Asperger's Syndrome and exploring how that condition was one of many factors that led to this horrific tragedy makes anyone here cruel or ignorant. Nothing will change the fact that people with mental and/or developmental disorders are not immune from violent behavior, and have limitations that may make it more difficult for them to behave appropriately for those that develop mental illness on top of a developmental disorder.

This is the fact sheet on Asperger's from the NIH web ste:


Snippet, emphasis added:

Asperger syndrome (AS) is an autism spectrum disorder (ASD), one of a distinct group of complex neurodevelopment disorders characterized by social impairment, communication difficulties, and restrictive, repetitive, and stereotyped patterns of behavior. Other ASDs include autistic disorder, childhood disintegrative disorder, and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified (usually referred to as PDD-NOS). ASDs are considered neurodevelopmental disorders and are present from infancy or early childhood. Although early diagnosis using standardized screening by age 2 is the goal, many with ASD are not detected until later because of limited social demands and support from parents and caregivers in early life.

The severity of communication and behavioral deficits, and the degree of disability, is variable in those affected by ASD. Some individuals with ASD are severely disabled and require very substantial support for basic activities of daily living. Asperger syndrome is considered by many to be the mildest form of ASD and is synonymous with the most highly functioning individuals with ASD.

Two core features of autism are: a) social and communication deficits and fixated interests and repetitive behaviors. The social communication deficits in highly functioning persons with Asperger syndrome include lack of the normal back and forth conversation; lack of typical eye contact, body language, and facial expression; and trouble maintaining relationships. Fixated interests and repetitive behaviors include repetitive use of objects or phrases, stereotyped movements, and excessive attachment to routines, objects, or interests. Persons with ASD may also respond to sensory aspects of their environment with unusual indifference or excessive interest.

The prevalence of AS is not well established. It is often not recognized before age 5 or 6 because language development is normal. Although ASD varies significantly in character and severity, it occurs in all ethnic and socioeconomic groups and affects every age group. Experts estimate that as many as 1 in 88 children age 8 will have an autism spectrum disorder1 No studies have yet been conducted to determine the incidence of Asperger syndrome in adult populations, but studies of children with the disorder suggest that their problems with socialization and communication continue into adulthood. Some of these children develop additional psychiatric symptoms and disorders in adolescence and adulthood. Males are four times more likely than girls to have ASD.

Studies of children with Asperger syndrome suggest that their problems with socialization and communication continue into adulthood. Some of these children develop additional psychiatric symptoms and disorders in adolescence and adulthood.

Edited by Cricket, 24 December 2012 - 08:40 AM.

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